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  1. The greatest of all time guest is back. Do you think that the modern Hindu understands sanatanhab? No. But that's also because of certain historical
  2. realities that we had to pass through colonization and things like that etc. It changes the mindset. What is the end goal of sanatize yourself? The one
  3. question that people have struggled with is that why am I suffering? If you're born you will suffer. Lord Rama also had periods of suffering. So how do you end
  4. suffering? You end suffering by so there's some point in your own spiritual journey where you will have the ticket to escape the cycle of birth
  5. and death. What I personally feel the aim is not even escaping from life and birth. You become a reflection of the deity. How does one explain ritualistic
  6. practice to the average person? Sanatan Dharma had never been a religion that preaches. If you don't follow the rules, it's not that somebody's going to come
  7. and beat you up. What happens is that the energy that you are going to generate may take a bit more time to produce the correct result. What is
  8. samadhi? Samadhi is singleointed absorption into a deity or a thought or a spiritual idea or a mantra. It can only come when the kalin is a they say
  9. that you can go crazy when it comes to the awakening of a kalini. Yes. If I had to introduce the concept of sanatan dharm
  10. or Hinduism as the world calls it to someone who's never heard of the word Hinduism or the faith known as sanatan dharm then I'd introduce them to Rajashi
  11. Nandi. I think he is the only guest that we've had through the course of our six years of podcasting who's given us about 25 to 30 episodes. That's the kind of
  12. depth of knowledge he has within his mind and heart. In today's podcast, we've covered the basics of sanatan dharm, the basics of Hinduism. This is a
  13. fantastic intro episode when it comes to understanding Hindu culture, the Hindu faith and the sanatani value system. Uh he's my all-time favorite guest and
  14. today we're covering one of my all-time favorite topics. It's all about ancient Indian culture and sanatan dharm or Hinduism or TRS.
  15. [Music] The greatest of all time guest is back. How are you, sir? Fantastic. Absolutely
  16. fantastic. It's been a couple of years since the first ever conversation that we had with you which was about the basics of Tantra. Right. What I
  17. anticipate is that uh in these last two years there have been a lot of subscribers who've been added, right? Who are probably meeting you for the
  18. first time. Sure. And secondly, I hope that this conversation actually makes it to the global realm because um there's a lot of people all over the world who do
  19. not have a correct understanding of the word tantra as well as a correct understanding of what the world calls Hinduism that we call sanatan dharma.
  20. Right? Uh so this is almost like a retelling of the first episode uh 2 years in after you've put me through some practices as well and after we've
  21. had so many elaborate conversations right uh so this might be a long one but welcome back sir okay how are you all fantastic before we
  22. start joy makamaka joy matara jay baba joy makamak joy matara joy baba yes Okay. And the daties are with us. Yes. Absolutely. Daties are the main. Okay.
  23. Uh I think a great place to start this conversation is to explain what sanatan dhham or Hinduism is to people who have not grown up in India. Okay.
  24. Uh a short answer to this would be uh there is a multiplicity of philosophies, paths and deities which have organically developed in this specific landmass uh
  25. we call India and they have been tied together by a larger philosophical string that passes through the different beads of a mala like if you are wearing
  26. a you know a necklace there's a string that passes through so there is an organic philosophy that connects all of these together. So there is one reality
  27. let's call that reality as Brahman or uh the atman or the self or something that is um both sauna which is it has qualities in it as well as nirona which
  28. is beyond qualities. This is what the west calls god and the world calls the divine divine yes but god let's not bring god right away. God is equivalent
  29. to what we call Ishwara where this um uh this uh this Brahman takes on a a kind of a divine personality. Okay. Uh so Brahman is not with or without a
  30. personality. It is something that we can imagine and something that we cannot even imagine. It's beyond human imagination. It covers everything yet it
  31. is beyond everything. Next worshiing of the Brahman is a little difficult for most people because you need to have a soul that has already gone through all
  32. the cycles of birth and rebirth and uh kind of uh your kmas your desires have been fulfilled. So there's nothing else that you want. So that is why there is
  33. this philosophy that say ni which means that you you you say that not this not this not this when you remove everything that which is left beyond which there is
  34. nothing that is the ultimate reality. Now this is the perspective of the sases monks who have given up life. So they want their perspective to be that of the
  35. Brahman which is a very neutral perspective. Neutral means it is completely unbiased. It sees good and bad day and night dharma everything in a
  36. in a kind of a balanced way. Just close to this but something that has formed sa suna is one of the the word guna means qualities. something that has a
  37. quality a name also is a gona. So there are these cosmic beings we call dvatas dities Lord Shiva Dura Mahadura Kali Bhava these are daties. Okay these are
  38. very fantastic beings almost in the realm of the Brahman only that we worship these beings and when we worship these beings they have their own innate
  39. qualities and uh specific nature. So the worship is tailored according to their nature and qualities and accordingly they may provide certain of those
  40. qualities as blessings to us. So to put it mildly uh uh Hindu would uh if I have to worship uh say uh if wealth is an issue for somebody they may worship
  41. mother Lakshmi goddess Laxshmi she's a deity of the wealth okay if we worship bhava for example he removes fears from an individual so you become stronger
  42. inside okay if uh similarly if you want uh wisdom for example you might worship saraswati or you might worship even nila saraswati the tantric form of dity
  43. tantric padi of dity so basically there is a collection of these great grand gods, deities we have. Each of them have their own gonas and tatwas. Gonas means
  44. qualities and tatwas is the fundamental essence. Okay. And the worship methodology is based on these qualities of the deity. So which means uh when we
  45. are worshiing we are trying to get close to the dvata to the deity. Dvata is the term we use. It's a dity. So if you're worshiping Shiva you offer uh bale patra
  46. you do abhisham of the shivaling if you're worshiping Vishnu you offer tuli I'm just saying in a very simple manner. So if you're woriing di you have you do
  47. homomas and there are other things you offer depends on the deity. So it is the worship methodology is designed based on what is it that the deity likes and we
  48. follow accordingly. So basically there's a democracy of choice among the followers of sanatana dharma based on uh what they want and their own nature. So
  49. some way somebody may want to worship Krishna because that that's perhaps what resonates with him. Somebody may want to worship Hanuman, somebody may want to
  50. worship Tara. Okay, it depends on what resonates with you because the rishies and rishies are the ancient masters who saw the Vedas first noted them down kind
  51. of they saw them means the Vedas are supposed to be eternally existent in the ether okay it's not that they composed it they saw it and there's an aal
  52. transmission that happens and then they passed it on to their shishas and others so they are the greatest of the masters our whole Hindu dharma is based on the
  53. rishes whichever dity it may Whichever path of sadhana it may be it is the rishies who have given us these paths. Okay. So this is very very briefly
  54. speaking how we understand the dharma sanatana dharma understands religion to be and the question comes why do you worship d is because it transforms you
  55. eventually from a human condition to a divine condition. Okay. um transforming into a divine condition or into the next stage of consciousness
  56. is what I believe the goal of sanatan dharm is correct sanatan dharm is what Hindus call Hinduism right the question I have for you is how would you explain
  57. what modernday Hindu life is to a foreigner for example with Christians they go to church um they have their own prayers uh in Islam there
  58. are rules uh you have to do certain things in the course of your lifetime you have to live your life a certain way what is the Hindu equivalent of that uh
  59. I think there's very few rules that are followed by every single Hindu right and the west knows certain rules about sanatan dharm which is that we don't eat
  60. beef correct that we have multiple gods right and that this is a mystical faith I think that's pretty much what most of the west understands about sanatanab
  61. correct would you disagree with me andor the next question is what would you like to add to this well I completely agree with you so basic idea as I just
  62. explained is that there is a democracy of choice that's given to the uh the followers of the dharma sanatana dharma and accordingly one can choose so there
  63. is no compulsion that you have to worship x dity or y daty or different other deities. So according to the to the dvada that you want to connect to
  64. there are certain rules in which you proceed and you follow those rules and you practice the path of upasana and also there is the other thing that our
  65. dharma is basically not it's not a a monastic dharma which means that everybody has to become a monk leaving society. No there are people who will
  66. become monks sases. So there's a stage of life we call the uh the ashrama. Asha is different stages but there's brahmachara and this and griasta and
  67. this and that. At the end you go into what is known as sasa. So when you have kind of experienced life in a full and wholesome manner then you may decide
  68. okay now I retire from life and I pursue that ultimate goal of being one with the Brahman. But not everyone actually does that in modern day India. Correct. And
  69. it is not even compulsory that everyone has to do that. There is another misconception that people may have because uh it may seem like you know you
  70. can do uh uh whatever you want type of thing but that's also not true. So when you are engaging in the upasan of a deity then the rules according to which
  71. the upasa has to be done that are fixed you cannot change that. So for example uh the restriction of cons on consumption of beef is universal across
  72. all sraas all branches all methods of worship. So whether it is the Vic method or tanchic method that is a non-negotiable that's a clear border.
  73. Okay. Then accordingly if you're woriing Shiva then there may be you have to offer bailra you cannot just you know randomly change uh to something else and
  74. say that oh it's just about bacti. No. So those rules are important because those rules help you to realize the dity. Okay. So that is the key idea in
  75. my opinion when so far as the upasa pati is concerned. So an average Hindu may have ishta a dity he likes best. Ishta means good. The dity that does good to
  76. you. Somebody may be a gpati upasa. Somebody upasana means basically somebody is doing worship of the dity. Somebody may be a bavasaka. Somebody may
  77. be a daasaka. So you follow the rules of the method by which you can approach the daties. Correct. You mentioned something about methods of worship. Correct. very
  78. crucial to talk about this because this is something that modern day Hindus mostly don't understand. Yes. And often there's
  79. clashes between different sects of Hindus over methods of worship as is the case with any world religion. There's different sects uh and there are issues
  80. between the sects. So let's talk about this modern day manifestation uh of different Hindus misunderstanding each other. But also let's talk about methods
  81. of worship in general. Right? So um that's correct. So there are different sects within. So instead of the word sect, the word we use is
  82. sraaya. Sraaya is a is a is a method of worship. Okay. Or a or a particular uh uh somebody connected to a deity or followers of a deity. Let's put it this
  83. way. Upasakas of a deity. Okay. Inside the sraa there may be even more subsraas. For example, Vishnavnism is worship of Vishnu. There could be many
  84. sraas inside Vishnavism. Sri Vishnavism is there. Then there's a Dwight Vishnavism is there. Then there is the Har
  85. Krishna the Iscon followers are there. So there could be then there'll be slight differences in the way they approach them. The gurus will be very
  86. different. Their the methods may be different. But what ties all these things together. First thing has to be understood is that Hinduism is uh not a
  87. religion of one book. It's a religion of multiple books. Okay. The shastras that we call the holy texts uh they govern the fundamentals of worship. They govern
  88. the fundamentals of uh there are two aspects both lifestyle as well as worship. So far as the fundamentals of worship are concerned they are very
  89. categorically mentioned how to do this and how to do that and this and that and we have to follow those. Okay. There is no sraaya or or kind of a a sect of you
  90. know believers of a particular god or a deity within hindu dharma who would survive the test of time if they don't adhere to the rules mentioned in the
  91. texts related to that dity. It is very very important. So when sradas come into there are sradas that have historically come into uh existence for example
  92. different times. So they have to pass through a phase where they have to prove to the others. For example, and we had a very healthy debate of uh criticism,
  93. counter criticisms, answers, debates at least till the 13th century. There is to be very uh fierce uh what used to be called the shasthata which is that you
  94. know debates basically between different sraayas each one claiming that our methodology of worship or the way we do it or our philosophy is stronger than
  95. yours. So uh there's no physical violence but there is absolutely free reign to debates, points, counterpoints and it is through this churning process
  96. that many philosophies became more refined. So there is a complete culture of you know agreement and disagreement. There's nothing wrong in that and it is
  97. mandatory on the followers or the intellectual uh followers of a certain sect to defend their path uh defend their methodology of worship in the
  98. light of the shastras. Shastras is the holy text. For example, uh let's say that um you know if you're worshiping Vishnu then you might have to uh you you
  99. follow the Vishnu purana or the Bhagwat Purana and then you from there there are other texts also like this or if you're going to the tantra then there are the
  100. vast of the tantras and you choose that okay what we are doing is based on XY Z tantra the dictims that are mentioned in this text etc. So that that textual uh
  101. it's like that peg where you tie your philosophy that's very important. Broadly speaking there are two fundamental parts of uh philosophical
  102. parts of worship. One is the vdika. Veda means it's not just the four vedas but there are the the veda samitas are there the brahmanas are the arakas are there
  103. and then the upanishads. Uponads are the philosophical part of the vedas where the vedas are more the ritualistic path. Rituals are a method of communication
  104. basically because a deity is very vast is infinitely powerful grander vaster eternal compared to an average human being. So these rituals were devised by
  105. the rishies so that you have a meaningful way of communicating with that energy. Yeah. You know this is the point where a lot of people all over the
  106. world start to disconnect with these kind of conversations because the question that arises in a listener's mind is hey why should I be doing this
  107. religious practice? Yeah and truth be told how does one explain ritualistic practice to the average person? My only explanation is until you experience it
  108. yourself. Yeah. after having an educated guidance through the process. That's when you'll be convinced, right? But most people are
  109. not even willing to physically put their bodies through that kind of a practice. Yeah. So I I I agree to that. But on the other hand, I believe that rituals are
  110. very powerful. I mean uh not just religion, every time there's a ritual. Everywhere in a human being's life, there are always rituals. Rituals are
  111. methods by which you align yourself to a particular space and time and an energy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the reason I'm bringing this up so much is because I've
  112. been in countless rooms where if I'm trying to explain this aspect of sanatan dharm, I am stopped by someone else saying no you know what bro this is
  113. where I switch off. But the only answer I have is hey experience it yourself. If you feel that way after a month of performing a ritual regularly then we'll
  114. revisit this conversation. My my only take in this is that so one first of all our dharma sanatan dharma had never been a religion that preaches so we have not
  115. had we don't normally uh broadly speaking from most of the places we don't like go ahead and say key uh you should follow this you should follow my
  116. god or this or that so I am not if you don't want to follow it absolutely fine there's no compulsion but if you want to follow it you have to do it this way
  117. it's like this um suppose you are in school suppose to give you another example Say there's a child he goes to school. Uh and in fact when you start
  118. following rituals the other thing that happens is that people uh say that I need to understand every step. No you will not understand every step on day
  119. one. When a child goes to class one he's told that you learn the tables you learn multiplication division. He can ask a question. What good is this for me? Why
  120. is he doing it? His parents have told him. His teacher has told him. Right? It's only when he grows to a certain age and he interacts with the world outside
  121. that he sees that these are things very useful that he had learned at a younger age. Exactly same way rituals work. This prayer ritual that we call puja. This is
  122. what you see in every Hindu household that practices Hinduism. Right? And as a kid when you're growing up in a Hindu household, you will have a moment where
  123. you'll ask your parents, your relatives, hey, why are we doing this? And often there's no answer. The answer that you get is this is just
  124. how it's done. At age 29 when I met you for the first time, I understood what a puja means, what a hav means. Um I think that that's the question that the world
  125. has when it comes to Hinduism as well. Why do we do these kind of rituals and why are there so many rituals? Why are there so many holidays in India?
  126. So many holidays though is a different question. But the rituals are designed at a very sound philosophical base. So it is not random. That's what I first
  127. said that the everything that we do comes from the rishies. They have codified it in the shastras. Shastras are eternal. They have a power within
  128. them, a shy within them by which they have survived and they will always survive. Okay. Specifically those aspects of the shastras that deal with
  129. the methodology of worship. How do you worship a dity? How do you worship this dity? There are two kinds of evidences. Pmana that you can get from the world.
  130. One is that uh which you get from you know your five senses. One you can get from inference, observation and this and that. And then there is a third thing
  131. something that comes from the astral and the occult realms. Realms which you cannot see, hear, feel, touch but those exist. And that is an element where
  132. initially for an average upasaka you will not understand because you have no experience of it. But you'll have to take it on faith. That shreddha that
  133. faith is also an important part of any religious of dharmic practice, religious practice etc. So far as the basic puja is concerned we offer basically five
  134. tutwas at the initial stages to any deity. Tutwa means five elements. So we believe that five elements water, earth, water, fire, air and ether. These things
  135. have composed the whole universe. Along with that there is also buddhi or intelligence. Then there is the ego and then there are other tutwas also. Okay.
  136. So these things of these these five elements are the uh materialistic uh the the the crux the foundations on which the world that we
  137. live in the physical world is created. So whenever you are worshiping a deity, one of the basic pujas we do is that you offer a little bit of something that
  138. represents the the pritiva which is the you know the earth element then something that represents the jal tatwa we something that represents the agni
  139. tatwa when you're lighting a diya something that represents the vay ta okay when you're chanting a mantra what is it it's the air that is changing okay
  140. and something that represents the akashwa akash we offer a flower or something so these are the five things so basically you are telling the 80 all
  141. that I am these five have been composed I am surrendering everything onto you the earth would be like the kum or something kum exactly the powders yes
  142. and and the jal tatwa could be even a nay with them a food offering that you're giving to the deity because it's made of water things like that so this
  143. is the broad idea the flowers represent the ether yeah flower represents the akasha akash is the is the among the tatwas it is the most the elevated one
  144. and elevated in theense It's very subtle. It's not easy to reach the Akashwa. But anybody who practices will have to eventually reach and pass
  145. through the Akashpa. Gotcha. Okay. Um this is a basic explanation of what a Hindu prayer ritual is. Right. Right. Yeah. What we reference as puja. Yeah.
  146. This is what we do as a puja. There are elaborate methods but this is the basic one. Okay. In an even more basic manner, a lot of
  147. Hindus in the modern day will have a small temple in their house or they might even have a small statue of a dity. Correct? Light a diya next to it,
  148. keep an incense stick for a good fragrance around it and just maybe not even know mantras but have their private prayer and just have a conversation with
  149. the deity. Is that also accepted in our faith? Yes, that is accepted. So, it is uh there are two ways of doing it. one is that you do it in a proper manner in
  150. by which uh if you do it in the in as I mentioned so these are the rules if you don't follow the rules it's not that somebody's going to come and you know
  151. beat you up or something like that but uh what happens is that your the energy that you are going to generate is going to a bit halfert may
  152. take a bit more time to produce the correct result this is where I want to bring in the fact that there are very very deep layers of mysticism
  153. intertwined with Hinduism yes that many Hindus don't understand in the first place. Now, how do you explain mystical benefits to the average person who's all
  154. over the globe? For me, it could be as simple as just having a calmer mind. I think if you think it's the right way to move forward, let's begin by explaining
  155. what a mantra is because that is also an aspect of puja and then we can head into the world of tantra. Okay. Fine. So mantra is basically a
  156. um a set of divonized words. Okay. Uh by which one is able to connect to the energy of a dity. Very simply put or not just connect to the energy. Sometimes a
  157. mantra may be a set of divonized words that may manifest something. Okay. Somebody may chant a mantra for good health. Somebody may chant a mantra to
  158. get rich or some financial benefits. But majorly the mantras are um directed towards the daties as a way of connecting. So it starts from the
  159. rigid the vedas itself. The vedas itself are the vic um the slokas of the veda the verses of the veda are mantras in themselves. Even the names of deities
  160. are mantras. So it's a way in which you manifest the energy encoded into it that mystical saying chant or something like that. But it is nonchangeable. That is
  161. very important. Each mantra has its own structure as it's it's it's a it's like a it's like a chant or a or a you know a line or whatever it may be. You cannot
  162. modify it in any way. Okay. Some mantras for example the vic mantras may require an inonation of chanting also not just normally chanting. Okay. A particular
  163. way. What is inonation? Inonation your voice modulation is required to do it. Okay. specifically. But uh so far as the puranic mantras, the puranas which came
  164. in later, mantras that come to us from the piranhas or the tantric mantras, it is not always necessary to have an inonation, uh many of the chanting is
  165. done mentally, internally. Okay. And as one keeps chanting the name of the deity or the mantra of the dity, it helps that individual to connect with the dity.
  166. That is the first and the fundamental method of dva dauasana. Deity worship apart from the puja. Puja and all that is the external elements that we are
  167. giving it. Mantra is something very personal. It it flows with your breath with your with your recitation. Okay. So it modulates your breathing. It
  168. modulates the uh the vayuta inside you and it can lead you to the akashtwa. So mantra japa is the key method of upasana in sanatan dharma and you're allowed to
  169. pray to more than one deity. Absolutely. Absolutely. In fact, there are many people and many advanced people who worship more than one deities. It's
  170. perfectly all right. Yet, there's a battle between the followers of multiple deities. Yeah. So, it's not exactly a battle. Uh I look at it as a culture of
  171. healthy conflict. Let's put it this way. So, it's perfectly all right. Criticism is fine. Answering the criticism is also fine. In fact, the battles that have
  172. that happen today um I feel are much less than perhaps that used to happen at a much longer time. Really? Oh, there was a 600 year of intellectual uh you
  173. know uh exchanges kind of for lack of words shastrata battle between two of the biggest vantic philosophies of adwita which is the non-dual philosophy
  174. of adishankarachara and the dwavada of Madwa from south India and 600 years one after the other greatest of stalwarts from each of the camps and they were
  175. people with excellent um you know much beyond the average IQ levels of an individual both spiritually, intellectually in every sense and they
  176. kept arguing with each other uh discussing debating their philosophies and trying to show why their philosophy is better than others. 600 years. It's
  177. not even a one day thing and who won in the end. It's not about who won. Debates never my understanding of debates is that they never lead to winners or
  178. victors. Those who I mean uh losers or that's not the wrong that's the wrong word but people follow what they have to follow. But this literature now this is
  179. the quality of the debate was very high that is that is to be understood. It's not about you know mudslinging and all that. So they are doing finest of
  180. analysis of the philosophies. Okay. and saying okay I follow this you follow that yours is wrong because of XY Z reason reason and that the an
  181. intellectual from that side says no yours is wrong because he counter analyzes that and gives a rebuttal to that so like this it continued for 600
  182. years got it why did it stop at year 600 I think people got tired okay do you think that the modern Hindu understands sanatan uh no broadly
  183. speaking mostly no what percentage of Hindus do you think actually understand it? There is some but major majorly they don't but that's also because of certain
  184. historical realities that we had to pass through in the last century or so because of you know uh colonization and things like that etc. So a country that
  185. is already colonized or there are foreign powers it changes the mindset. So you you look at life in a very different way once independence comes in
  186. you think that perhaps the first thing that is required is a more materialistic growth in life and religion and dharma can be an also ran so you don't focus so
  187. much on it you think that uh dharma is anyway it'll carry on it's all right I can do some puja but the main thing is that how do I get a better job how do I
  188. go abroad how do I make more money and things like that this had been the mindset for many decades in India post independence which has also resulted in
  189. various misconceptions when it comes to uh understanding of dharma and I'm talking about Hindus only not non-Hindus it's now that there is a sudden
  190. reawakening of interest among Hindus to understand dharma in the right manner and practice that dharma at least some change though so I definitely see even
  191. among the youth okay yeah I think genz's are way more into spiritual practice than the predecessors were right and outcome of the times and information
  192. being that much more uh widespread and honestly I hate saying this but mental health issues being that much more widespread. Uh that's also maybe another
  193. issue another point. Yeah. When your head gets completely scrambled eventually you turn to what your soul knows the best which is right practice
  194. and faith. You spoke about misconceptions in modern day Hindu minds. Can you speak about some of these misconceptions?
  195. Uh no I see on the top of the mind the first thing I I mention for example uh there is a uh common misunderstanding that Hinduism means just you know there
  196. are no rules I can do whatever I want. The other unfortunate aspect of Hinduism Hindus at that very very often a large section of them have not cultivated the
  197. habit of reading the scriptures. Today we live in an age where every scripture is available. You just have to buy it from any you know of the book shops that
  198. publish these books or the internet etc. And you need to have the patience to read them. Okay. You may not understand it directly then there are good
  199. commentaries on it but nobody spends time reading them. What's a great starting point? You can if I always say that the best starting point means if
  200. you are an upasaka say you want to worship Dvi for example. So you read the Dvi Bhagwatam for example. So you pick up a text a purana related to the dity
  201. and then read it religiously read it multiple times read it with commentaries and it'll every time you read it along with your practice it is going to bring
  202. about a change in your understanding. Okay see the scriptures are like this they are like great works of art they sustain for many many centuries because
  203. every time you read it your consciousness has changed and your understanding becomes more refined. Same happens with scriptures. Okay. Um for
  204. the longest time in my life I thought that all of Hinduism is encapsulated into the Bhagavad Gita. That's the capital misconception of Hindus. And I'm
  205. saying this with a lot of respect for the Bhagavad Gita. This and so are you. Yes. Right. Let's talk about the Bhagat Gita in general first then let's talk
  206. about this misconception. I love the Bhagat Gita. I have multiple you know uh translations or commentaries on the Gita that I keep from my own references.
  207. It's a fantastic text but it's a text of vanta. You have to understand I I mentioned this initially. Hinduism is a religion path of multiple texts. It's
  208. like a library. Okay. So you go into the library you see the catalog and you decide key I want to read read books on geography. So you go to the section on
  209. geography. I want to read on physics. You go to a section on physics. If you read a book on physics and say I want English literature from this then you
  210. are messing up things. That is what has happened with the Gita being taken as a universal thumb rule for all kinds of sradas. Gita is wonderful and a terrific
  211. vantic text. In fact, it is such a high level text that to internalize the Gita is not at all easy to it's one thing to read the Gita. It's another thing to
  212. implement those the the instructions that Lord Krishna gives to Arjuna someone's life that's very very difficult. It's a text only the highest
  213. of sasis can internalize in their life. Reading is not enough. It is not a book. Gita is not about mantra japa. Gita is not about just reading. It's about
  214. internalizing that into the smallest of activities in your life. And it is so tough. So tough that very few people are of that kind of an inner makeup because
  215. vanta which is the end of the Vedas. Vanta means end of the Vedas is a very high philosophy. It is a philosophy um in my opinion it's a philosophy fit for
  216. the best of sases. It is not necessarily a philosophy that an average person on the road can follow for them and it's by the way I don't mean when I say vanta is
  217. for for a select few people I do not mean that it is the only therefore there's a human mind tends to compartmentalize things and say oh so
  218. it's very high so I only follow vanta because I want the highest thing no that's absolutely foolish it is one path for us for general people for everybody
  219. there are the worship of the deities that has been popularized Even even the vantic sraas the the shankara matas and all that if you if you observe how they
  220. they do ritualistic it is it's that is the that's like the fuel the philosophy is your car your without the fuel is not going to run and the fuel at the end of
  221. the day comes back to the upasan of deities so even if you don't understand the philosophy fully if you have a solid practice of connecting to a deity over
  222. years it is going to bring about a transformation end of the day the goal of dharma is to transform the individual. Hm. Okay. What's written
  223. within the Bhagat Gita? It's a communication between Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the battlefield when Arjuna is facing a dilemma. Okay. Arjuna is facing
  224. a tremendous dilemma that till now the war was building up. There's a conflict between the brothers and it reached a point when all negotiations of peace
  225. have failed completely. Okay. Krishna finally announces that now it is going to be war because nothing else can be done. So he goes there. He's in the
  226. battlefield and then he suddenly sees that the other side comprises of his own relatives, people he has grown up with his own gurus. In fact, in fact in
  227. traditional Hindu dharma uh guru is very high. You cannot uh you know guru you cannot attack your guru or you cannot do anything. But this text is so powerful
  228. it sets it creates a setting where Arjuna is a man of action. He's like a man who is very dharmic who is very uh he's not an intellectual. He's not the
  229. guy who will sit behind a desk and contemplate things. He's a man of action and he's a terrific warrior. He's a dharmic warrior. He's he is faced a
  230. dilemma where he has to fight with his own relatives with his own gurus and not just fight perhaps even kill them in the battlefield and then he's confused in
  231. his mind and he tells Krishna who is his who is the divine who becomes his chariot. Okay. He tells that it's better you know I I don't want to go into the
  232. fight. What is the use of all this? I'll just retire. And secondly uh and this conversation is right at the beginning and he says that uh suppose we fight and
  233. I kill them then what happens is that it causes a disbalance in dharma u many things in in in the societal perspective of that era one of the arguments he
  234. gives what is the use of fighting against the gurujans and the relatives and all that better than that it's let's just you know leave everything so a
  235. philosophy if there were a philosophy which would believe that the ultimate goal of life is retiring from life then you'd say The best advice is that leave
  236. everything and go. But Krishna does just the opposite. He starts his conversation by saying that you speak like a pandit like a scholarly man but you don't uh
  237. you you don't have that kind of depth of the reflection that uh you know in activity that a pandit actually has. So basically he's trying to say that your
  238. words are hollow and then he slowly builds up an argument step by step that lasts for 18 chapters. First he says that you are a chhatria. A chhatria is a
  239. warrior. A warrior should not run away from the battlefield. Then he slowly explains the spiritual understanding of things and in the text in the middle he
  240. he explains karma yoga what is the essence of activity without being attached to activity. Before that in the chapter 2 itself he goes and explains
  241. that who is a money who is a rishi who is a is a spiritually elevated person he is devoid of anger devoid of uh you know uh hatred uh who has a self-controlled
  242. mind whose mind is single-pointedly devoted to the divine that is a man of high intelligence like this he gives various explanations then he elaborates
  243. on karma yoga how do you how do you attain that while you are in life so he says that you you perform your activities is perform what needs to be
  244. done but do it with a certain degree of detachment and once you do that then your karma yoga slowly perfects then there is ghana that comes knowledge
  245. wisdom then uh in the course he also explains that how to attain liberation from life completely moka so that you don't come back again next he even goes
  246. about the properties the nature of the divine the bibuti yoga which means that how the divine manifests as the best of all things so that's a beautiful chapter
  247. I think the 10th chapter of the Gita where uh he's speaking in third person. He's saying that among the among the Vishnis, Vishn is the clan in which
  248. Krishna is born. Among the Vishnis I am Krishna. Among the Pandawas I'm Arjuna. Okay. Among the Rudras I'm Shiva. Like this. Among the warriors, the generals
  249. I'm scand. And then he goes on among the gamblers and the art of gambling. So basically he's trying to say that among in any given set the best of that set is
  250. divine. And it could be anything. It need not be somebody see even gambling is using it as an example. What is the best thing in gambling? The art of
  251. gambling. The peak that which is cut above the average that excellence in life is always a manifestation of the divine. Okay. And then he changes he
  252. shows his wish but the cosmic form Krishna shows his cosmic form. Arjuna then bows down to him says he gets scared because he's never seen like
  253. that. And then surrenderance comes. Bacti so bi gets built first there is karma karma yoga your activities in the life you cannot run away from that
  254. there's a beautiful play sloka where arjuna krishna says that there is nothing that I need to do and yet he takes birth and he uh as an avatara to
  255. help society to develop consciousness he doesn't need to do anything there's absolutely no obligation he has no duty we have duties we have duties to our
  256. parents this and that we are not independent nobody's independent right but the divine is completely independent Yet the divine manifests in this plane
  257. helps society. So he says that if he the implication is that if the divine is doing it then you also have your duties. You have to you cannot run away from
  258. your duties but you do your duties with a degree of detachment. You're not attached to anybody and anything. A part of you stands apart while you do what
  259. needs to be done. Okay. And as you keep doing that there will be a manifestation of knowledge ghana. So you will have what is called the purusha and the
  260. procriti. Priti is your automated biological body and nature that comes from from from from the natural birth that you get and in that there is a soul
  261. that steps aside from it and observes. Every activity is being done and yet there's a part of you that is standing apart and observing that is the purusha.
  262. Okay. And after that is bacti. When you see the divine any form, any manner, any deity and mind you the Gita is such a
  263. powerful text it is not only Krishna. If you're a worshipper of Kali for example you can as well in your mind replace that these conversations are happening
  264. between Kali and say as an upasakaya she's telling you this. It could be anybody. So that is why in the bibi yoga he takes it to the third person. And
  265. he's saying that among the vishnas I'm Krishna. Who speaks like that? Who speaks like? He's not saying so he's saying I among the pandas I'm Arjuna. So
  266. he's transcended his own you know even the form of Krishna has transcended who he is. Okay. And like this so bi comes when you see have a divine experience.
  267. Then all these things immediately surrender after that then there are various other explanations of assuric nature dha nature. All these
  268. explanations Krishna gives to him. what is the way of the world? He he explains the importance of the scriptures, why it has to be followed and he says that you
  269. have to follow the methods that have been given because if you don't do that then you are following your own mind. So if you follow your own mind you will not
  270. succeed in this path of sad. If your mind was capable enough you would not need the advice in the first place. So that is why this is there that is why
  271. this path has been set and as you follow it you develop yourself. Another important concept is that while the divine has both dharma and adharma. So
  272. the word dharma comes from a root which means to sustain. So that which sustains it dharma. Okay. So that worship of the deity sustains us helps us to grow
  273. stronger in all qualities. So he says the divine ultimate divine is balanced. It has a balanced eye with a uniform eye. It
  274. looks at both black and white dharma dharma. But we cannot do that. We are in the world of duality. So you have to change you have to differentiate between
  275. what is dharma what is adharma and stay away from adharma because it is going to pull you down. Okay. So you follow the path of dharma and follow the scriptures
  276. the mandated things. At the end of this full discourse he tells to Arjuna that now that I've told you this great secret now do what you wish to do. There's no
  277. force involved in this. The Gita has no force. He's not saying that now that I've given you this so you go ahead and do this. This is a compulsory path. No,
  278. he says that now you contemplate and you decide what is the best thing you want to do and by the end of the discourse Arjuna decides that it's duty is
  279. important it's not enough see he's not saying that I need to run away from manifestation in the world I have to be here I have to perform the duty but do
  280. it in a dashed manner in that you will attain liberation okay the reason I think the Bhagat Gita has become so popular on a world stage is because it
  281. answers a lot of modern day problems yeah but I My take is that what I told you here it will take a lot of time for somebody to understand this just by just
  282. reading the Gita. It's not a conclusion I reached in one reading of the Gita. Gita is a text that is meant for vanta. I repeat this Gita is not a text meant
  283. for just upasana of a dity. It is a text meant for vanta. If you're suited for vanta if somebody is temperamentally suited for vanta then gita is a
  284. fantastic text. I have seen people in my life who know the Gita by heart. Okay, 700 verses by heart. And yet when the first tragedy strikes in life, they are
  285. completely clueless like any other average person. So my question is what is the use of reading the Gita if you are not able to harmonize the teachings
  286. of the Gita. It is not meant for everybody. Because at the time when the Gita was made popular, it was popular but it was popular among the Vantins at
  287. a time when there was a certain amount of uh you know what it happens in a colonized state. The Hindu intellectuals and the others they wanted one text
  288. which we could show that see it it synthesizes our philosophy as you the same questions that you have it was even more today the world is at least well
  289. connected that time the foreigners came in and they see that oh they like completely clueless what is happening this and that. So no no no we just have
  290. one text we follow this that is what happened with the Gita and that went on till now with the basic understanding given that Hindus don't read anything
  291. else so they have assumed that the Gita is by default the only thumb rule text no there are other texts also all are beautiful I think that this is a good
  292. point to open up the chapter on tantra because in many ways I feel like it's the nucleus of sanatan dhan at least that's how I look at it. Um, but the
  293. word tantra has unfortunately gotten a negative connotation in the public eye globally. How do you explain tantra to someone who's never heard the word
  294. tantra is a method of worship? Okay. Fundamentally like uh there is a the vic uh methodology of worship. Tantra is also a way of approaching deities and
  295. worshiing. That's the simplest explanation of tantra. In uh Lord Shiva mentions in the tantras that in the Kali Yuga the main Kalyuga is the the era
  296. that the yoga that we are in cycles of time where because of the huge amounts of general level of corruption both uh physical corruption as well as moral
  297. corruption and um not just moral there's sound pollution all these are corruptions okay the quality of life degrades as the yoga pass by and in this
  298. era the easiest way and the most suitable way for human beings to connect to the datus and the fastest way also by the way not just eases fastest way to
  299. connect to datus same datus is following the methodology of upasana given by the tantras and the agamas okay so he says very clearly the vic methods will
  300. recside backwards and it is the tantras that will come in the forefront and will become very popular now the the agamas and the tantras agamas are texts okay
  301. okay related closely related to tantras okay so it it comes like a transmission it's shiva gives this comes to the rishies from the rishies it passes down
  302. to great masters they codify this into texts and then we have various sraas of tantra now we are to give you an example uh in the traditional recording of time
  303. we are in 5,000 years of kalyuga and kalyuga extends up to a huge amount of time this is not even not even 5% of the total span of time this is the
  304. traditional recording there are many people these days who claim that kalyuga is over and all that I'm not getting into that traditional Hinduism considers
  305. this is just the tip of the kalyuga. So there is much more level of corruption and degradation of the human race and society in general that is yet to come
  306. in going ahead. Okay. In this today in India the most popular of all religious festivals Hindu festivals is the navatras if you look at
  307. it that way. Okay. It's one of the biggest festivals. It is followed across India. Yeah, the method of following may be different. Uh in North India, you
  308. follow it for 9 days. In Bengal side, we do the dura puja for 4 days. Things like that. But navatra is a very very key ritual uh that is followed or perhaps
  309. the most popular ritual right now. And the whole germination the basis of navatras are somewhere from Dupasa Hindi tantras whether it is the tantric
  310. puranas or the tantra actual tantric texts t by tantic purana I mean the kalika purana and all that texts like that so that is where uh so in a way the
  311. prediction that lord shiva gives not arguing he's just he's making a statement a prediction that in the kali yoga it is the tantras that will be the
  312. primary method of opasa it has already started happening when the method so people do dvi upasana during navatas but is it coming from the
  313. vedas no the germination of the tant the upasa of di in whatever manner they're doing is coming from the tantras so tantra is already becoming mainstream
  314. without people realizing it and it's just a matter of time when tantra and I firmly believe that in the coming decades in its truest form will become
  315. like a de facto religion def facto dharmic path in Hinduism among masses. It is a time it is a thing that time has come and uh there are
  316. forces which are aligned strongly in this manner and it is going to happen. It's not dependent on A or B individual but it is like the thing that is time
  317. has come. You're saying most Hindus are going to adopt tantric practices method some of the other tantric method of upasa of dities. What is a very basic
  318. tantric opasana that is being followed already? Navaratra for example when you're doing the mantras say you're doing the Navana mantra which is one of
  319. the mantras of Dvi most popular mantra of Mahadura which is like widely practiced across uh India though there are restrictions in terms of uh there is
  320. a guru and all that needed but even without that also I've seen innumerable people chanting the navana mantra across so it is it is its popularity has
  321. skyrocketed it is a mantra that comes from tantras it's a namic mantra vija mantras Okay, vija mantra is a seed mantra. Seed
  322. silt tantra is this concept that from a deity his or her energy can be encapsulated in a sound formation which does not have a specific meaning but as
  323. you keep repeating that specific sound and uh the repetition has it has its other rules also along with it. When those rules are followed, it's
  324. sufficiently chanted which could be in lacks and lacks. By the way, following certain rules, it starts manifesting just like a seed develops into a tree.
  325. So, it starts manifesting the energy of the deity inside that individual. That is a vija mantra. This very concept comes from the dantas. Okay. An average
  326. Hindu who's staying in South Mumbai or South Delhi, um they say they're waking up to Hinduism
  327. again. But the word tantra as well as the phrase tantric practices seem a little too far away for them from their heart right um are they doing any
  328. practices right now by going for puja by doing the puja is that tantric in any way it could be it could be at least it is puranic puranic means the five tas
  329. that we are giving it comes from the various puranas and all that but there is an overlap with the tantras overlap automatically ally happens when you are
  330. using the mantras. For example, there are along with when you're offering the five tas there are basic mantras with which you offer. Those mantras have bjas
  331. vijas are all tantr in fact gpati tantras are innumerable. There is a vija there's a shadakshari six a mantra of gapati the texts say that you have to
  332. imagine gpati like a wild elephant in must. Okay, must means when there's a when an elephant is in in sexually excited state okay that kind of and
  333. there are uh other iconographic descriptions of the image and things like that etc with a certain salpa salpa is a before you start you make a promise
  334. to the dity I'm going to do this amount of japa six lakh japa of that mantra within a certain phase of period period of time uh if it is done along with that
  335. there are fire rituals it will uh bring about a tremendous experience of gpati Okay. So there's one version of praying as a Hindu where you sit in front of
  336. your temple pray you do a puja you brash you uh flowers this is what we've inherited from our parents and our grandparents
  337. and now someone's watching this Rajes Nandhi podcast and thinking to themselves hey I kind of want to take up tantic practices because they're perhaps
  338. a sharper faster way of going about spiritual growth in the path that we know as sanatandha Right? Any of the daties in their house
  339. in their mandr say they have a gpati morti they have a hanumanji they have a krishna bhagan each of these just like any other hindu dity has a form of
  340. tantric practice associated with it but in order to take it up you need to be guided by a guru right how do you find a guru how do you find a guru is the
  341. toughest question there are no easy answers to it so until you find a guru what do you do that is the most important question. So
  342. until you find a guru, you still do practices which are allowed to be done without a guru. So dharma has been based like that there are things that you can
  343. do. For example, uh just taking the name of gapati or or the 108 names of ashtuttraama we call it 108 names of a dity. So ashtuttraama of gpapati can be
  344. chanted by anybody. Every dity has an ashta. Every dity they have a shastraama also thousand names. Okay. Okay. And some dities will have multiple versions
  345. of the shastra nama. You see you have to just sit in one place. Sit in one place. Light a diya. Sit calmly. Clean clothes. Take a bath if possible. Okay. Light a
  346. one agarati. One one incense or something that is fragrant. Chant those names. Say you do it for Gbati. You do it say five times or seven times and
  347. continue this for a few months. Don't break the pattern. Every day. It's going to create an energy tremendous energy around you. Okay. This is what you can
  348. do without having a guru in your life. Yes, definitely. But tantra by itself for the sake of completion tantra this is the mantra is only the first stage.
  349. So as it becomes more advanced more deeper then you will need what is known as dika initiation from a guru and then tantra bifurcates into multiple uh
  350. variations of tantra and this is where since you did mention that in the west it is looked at as one thing and in India people have a negative connotation
  351. why that comes in and it's important to understand the context of it so tantra has broadly speaking two bifocations one is the
  352. vamachar and the duina duina means Right. Okay. The right hand path and the left hand path. Vhamachara and Dakshina. In duinachara, you worship the
  353. deity with all the uh methods. The tantra, mantra, yantra, every tantra is the ritualistic practice of worship. Mantra is the mantras of the deity.
  354. Okay. The the chants chants. It could be multiple mantras. The guru will give you the mantra of the dity. Okay. Tantra, mantra and yantra of the deities is a
  355. diagrammatic representation of the dity. Okay. And of course the method in which you worship which your guru will tell you whoever is doing the upasana. But
  356. you use only satic ingredients in the upasana which means that you use vegetarian ingredients and all that we consider as satic. Okay mostly
  357. vegetarian but also coconut water fruit juices this that etc as offerings to dity. Vamachara the left hand path is considered as for the tantras another
  358. path of vupasa and uh in the chronology of uh practice. So when we go to the oldest tantras like the kulanava and all that they mention that it is not a
  359. dichotomy between the right hand and the left hand path but these are stages of progression. So a perfection in tantra sadhana suppose there is one to
  360. individual who has attained absolute perfection and that may require lifetimes of practice. It is not about one lifetime. None of these are one
  361. lifetime practices by the way. So Shiva says in the Quran that after you have mastered duina then you will have to enter into mamachara where you will
  362. offer five tatwas to the deity. Five tas the first thing that comes is sanctified alcohol. Okay. Sanctified means with the help of mantras it is purified. Okay. It
  363. is transformed. Only then it can be offered. It's called karan. Okay. Right? And then there's meat offering. There's fish offering. There's mudra which is
  364. specific kind of grains. And then there's muna or but that is also sanctified through mantra. This is not at all a normal physical interaction
  365. between a man and a woman. It's a different thing. But these idea the philosophy behind it is that those things which you think are obstructions
  366. in the path that which will degrade you it is those that can also lift you and take you to the realm of the dity. One who has passed through both of these
  367. two paths and perfected them. Dakshinaara and the vamachara then becomes has the next stage comes the siddhantara which means that he has the
  368. right understanding of the world. Siddhanta means conclusion. His conclusion of the world, his conclusion of the deity, his
  369. conclusion of the tutwas, everything is perfected. And then the last stage comes as ka. Colola means basically somebody who has it's almost like he is one with
  370. the dity. There's no difference. In fact, tantras also have another thing which they call they classify human beings in three categories. One is the
  371. pushu. Pashu is an animal. Everybody is an animal at birth. Okay? By normal discourse, everybody's an animal. Once they take dika and start tantra sadena,
  372. they become a vira. Ver means one who is brave. Why is a vira? Because he is fighting against his own natural tendencies, transforming them so that he
  373. becomes divine. And then the third stage is he becomes dy divine. So he says that one who is a pushu without an initiation they do the basic practices. It's only
  374. via initiation. Diksha when the diksha ceremony is performed then he becomes a vira. This vira stage is where all the tantras and the texts come in. This is
  375. where you learn what to do, how not to do, how long you have to do. And dya the divine is very rare. Once an individual reaches the stage of the divine, he or
  376. she did not follow rules. But that is only one in lacks and lacks may reach that stage. So we assume once dika is there that you are in the stage of the
  377. vira and then as per the shastras as per the command of the guru you do your practices according to your system. It is from this the use of this five tutwas
  378. that tantra also gets uh misunderstanding among people comes in those who are conditioned to believe for example large portion of Hindus are
  379. conditioned to believe that upasana of a deity has to be only vegetarian offerings only a satic environment that is not always the case I mean in eastern
  380. India uh in in temple like the matara's famous tarapit temple every day there's a fish that is offered to matara there's meat that is offered bali that happens
  381. Amaka temple it happens Kali temples in across Bengal we offer these things to ma where do we offer these things so these are the method of offering that we
  382. can offer these all comes from the shastras you as I said right at the beginning I was mentioning in this conversation that the shastras are the
  383. final parameters they tell you what to do what not to do so you follow things according to the shastras and according to the shastra of the deity so when you
  384. are worshiping tantra upasana it's the tantric method of worship of tara for example uratara is being
  385. done and you are offering meat fish etc it is as per the texts the texts have recommended this there's no question
  386. about it there's no there's no you know there's no question of why and what not and no you can say that okay I don't want to do that fine you take another
  387. method of worship you worship some other dity maybe you worship Krishna Krishna for worshiing of Krishna Even in the tantric method, you don't offer anything
  388. non-vegetarian. You have to offer satic offerings. Okay? But if you're doing this, so these rules are set. It is not based on anybody's whims and fancies.
  389. Okay? And these rules are set not from today, from the most perfected scriptures. So anybody who questions this automatically in my view becomes
  390. what is called a disbeliever, a nastika. So uh somebody who does not have belief in the path will not benefit from the path. As I said, we are not a religion
  391. of where we propagate things. I'm not asking you that you have to do this, but if you have to do this, you have to do it this way. That has to be clear. Yes,
  392. there is dakshina as I mentioned. So there are a lot of people say in navatra time who go vegetarian which is okay. These are also there is a there's that
  393. option is very clearly there in the text. But what you cannot do is that you cannot question that why am I offering fish to tara every day in the tarapit
  394. temple because that is perfectly in aligned with the tantra shastras. Your lack of knowledge cannot be the parameter for deciding how to worship
  395. the dity. Perhaps if you yourself are passionate about being vegetarian then choose not to go about tapasa or choose the method by which you can do a satic
  396. upasana. So both methods are there. My point is that you should not question why it is being done because it is as per the shastras just like when you
  397. offer something satic to the deity uh in in you know like in navatras when durahasana is done in many homes and people go completely satic especially in
  398. north India which is fine but what you cannot do is you cannot question why during durabuja bali is happening because that is from the shastras in
  399. fact 7th century 8th century commentator one of the greatest commentators from eastern India Rhunand Bha he mentions that dura asana requires bali and what
  400. day it has to be given what kind of bali all details are there what mantras in fact there is a mantra that is chanted in the year of the animal before the
  401. wali is to be given this is mantra is chanted on the kara of the di the invocation of dvi is to be done so she is known as balip priya balip priya
  402. means very simply what it has taken for centuries in the areas where vamachara is practiced is that she likes bali given that 60% of hindus are anyway
  403. non-vegetarians which is a very neutral uh you know uh analysis report that came out. So uh so to say that there should not be bully is peak hypocrisy. I mean
  404. it is actually offering and sanctifying the food that you are doing that you're consuming. Earlier times in Bengal side we used to have for example shops when
  405. um uh which sold non-vegetarian food. So uh when meat was sold was mostly uh mutton and goat meat not chicken. Chicken is
  406. normally not offered mutton. These are all specified in texts. So they used to have an installation or a vigraha or photo of Mali and the first uh uh animal
  407. used to be a bully to the Dvi. So so that it sanctifies into a prasad like that. Okay. What are we working towards here? What's the end goal of all this?
  408. What is the end goal of sanadant? To attain that's what divise yourself, change yourself as a human. That that is the one one problem of the world across
  409. centuries. All philosophies you read end of the day the one question that people have struggled with is that why am I suffering? If you are born you will
  410. suffer. Lord Rama also had periods of suffering at least in the text that is mentioned. So you and me we are ordinary people we will suffer. So how do you end
  411. suffering? You end suffering by transcending yourself from the human condition to a divine condition by becoming a reflection of the deity. Now
  412. suppose the dity you are worshiing is is mashantara cremation ground tara then you worship the method through which it has to be worshiped the her worship
  413. occurs which she likes so that eventually you end up into a state where you reflect that energy of the dity you transcend your humanness you go beyond
  414. suffering you go beyond into that state that is the final goal by pursuing a dity you are already on the path of evolution because the dat's
  415. consciousness is much higher that is why we are woriing the whole world functions in this principle that he or she or whatever has lesser energy gets
  416. automatically drawn or the word we use which I think is more accurate shy those that individual process anything that has lesser shaky gets organically drawn
  417. towards that which has a higher shi today a film star goes everybody goes crazy the film stars come why because for good or bad he or she has a shaky
  418. fame is a shaky power money is a shaky prime minister has a shaky military power is one kind of shaky writing is a shaky speaking is a shaky These are all
  419. manifestations of power. Okay. Tantra says that power is divine. Divinizing power is the key goal, philosophical goal of Tantra because there are assur
  420. powers also. We don't want to go there. We want powers that originate from the deities. Okay. And then the use of that power is not based on your ego. It's on
  421. the command of the dity. So basically the idea is that you you you not only survive you you don't just survive you triumph over life and that
  422. can only be done by deity you cannot do that human beings are flawed human beings human birth is meant for suffering some of the other suffering
  423. will come doesn't matter how good your horoscope one may have suffering is going to come the only way you go beyond suffering is you transform yourself into
  424. the reflection of the deity that is the end goal of upasana So there's some point in your own spiritual journey where you will have the ticket to escape
  425. the cycle of birth and death. Yes. That is what we call moka traditionally. Okay. And every tantra opasak who sticks to the process over
  426. lifetimes will eventually reach that goal. Yeah. But more than that what I personally feel the aim aim is not even escaping from life and birth. You become
  427. a reflection of the dity. If you escape from life and b death that's to give a rough analogy suppose there's a group of people playing video
  428. games so you just say that okay I'm done I'm bored out of it fine but what if there's somebody who says no no I'm not done but I will become such a terrific
  429. player that I'll never lose which is more fun you tell me understood so there could be upasak yes who cross that point of mo and say no no no
  430. actually I'll just stay back. Yeah. Whether they cross or not, I don't know. But there are great terrific powerful souls who do not transcend completely.
  431. They stay back and they guide and they may not be in the forefront and they are so powerful that they are almost a reflection of the deity they have
  432. worshiped. There is a particular uh particular section in some of the Kashmir Shiva texts which I had read long back if I remember it correctly. So
  433. they say categorization of shaktipath. Shaktipad is transformation that the guru uh gives makes on an individual by the infusion of shakti power divine
  434. power. Some souls it says get instantly liberated. But liberation does not necessarily mean that you know completely out of the cycle or something
  435. like that. But they become such powerful reflections of Shiva because Shiva is the ultimate goal in the in the Shiva Kashmir Shiva path. They become such
  436. powerful reflections of Shiva or Bhava. Parava who is the parva great bhava and they in turn are absolutely free. So remember this freedom is one of the
  437. goals of upasana. Freedom means you, me, anybody else we are not free. There is always some or the other binding that is there in your mind. Whether okay you
  438. have to finish your work, you have to go home, you have to eat your food at this moment 10 people may be dependent on you this and that. Those are not freedoms.
  439. Okay. To be free is something that only a deity understands. Humans don't understand. We have never been free. From birth to death, nobody's ever free.
  440. Okay. But there's an absolute freedom and in that state of freedom they can guide other souls also. Okay? They may not even have a physical form. So there
  441. are siddhas like this in the Himalayas or other places etc. They have not left the system. They are not they're not the people who have just you know switched
  442. off the computer and said I'm not playing the game. They are in the game but in a different manner and they have tremendous amount of freedom. They have
  443. transcended that human ego completely. They have demonized themselves and they do not make mistakes because they are guided by forces even higher than them.
  444. For example, just just to a theoretical thing say the famous being who is widely uh known as Mahavatar Bhawaji. Okay. Somebody like that exists. But he is
  445. something it's like a like the soul the atman. He can take up a body at will. So what does it look like? He can look like anything he wants. What kind of freedom
  446. is there? So he wherever he may be his consciousness from there he can guide so many people. He doesn't need to manifest himself. What's the difference between
  447. Mahatar Baba G and the divinity that the world references as God? What the word god means in the western culture is different from what we mean in Hinduism.
  448. Hinduism we have a corresponding idea. It's called the I ishwhara. Ishwara is a tatwa. By the way, Ishwara is one deity uh who has tremendous opulence and
  449. power. But that doesn't end here. Remember I told you right at the beginning that there is also the concept of the Brahman which is even higher.
  450. Ah so we there is never going to be one mistake we should not do is try to tailor Hinduism according to the ideas of Abrahamic religions because these two
  451. are separate parts have a healthy respect for each other but don't fall into the trap that okay there is a god should we need to have a god no we have
  452. a brahman which is higher than god okay so this is if you look at the image tantric image of lalita mahhatur sudari or dakshina you will see that she sits
  453. on a throne where There are uh five ishwaras. Imagine iswar is a tatwa. Tutwa means a certain set of qualities. It is like you pass class 12 and you get
  454. a certificate. So whoever gets that certificate is an ishwara suppose. Okay. So there are five ishwaras. Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra and there is another
  455. Ishwara. They're holding the throne. On the top of the throne there is Sadasha. That is another tutwa. Okay. Sadasha is we already worship Sadasha as a great
  456. fantastic all powerful being. So these concepts are so vast that you cannot even imagine by the way by by the time this image they it has been drawn
  457. because it's passing on certain very deep information into the upasaka's subconscious into his psyche the rational mind cannot fathom what is
  458. sadasha it cannot even fathom Ishwara ishwara is so vast beyond sadasha then there is mahakal if you are looking at kali okay dakali and beyond
  459. mahakal there is duinaali you cannot imagine What is Sadasha? You cannot imagine what is. How will you imagine what is Kali? It is so vast. The idea
  460. this image was created is that through holy art, divine images and arts which also have a own rational logic in it. Rationality that is based not the
  461. standard uh uh the rationality of the five senses but rationality of of a spiritual nature which the dishes understand. they are able to transmit an
  462. energy into the upasa's subconscious mind by which he slowly transforms as he worships that dity. So on day one you may not be able to you can understand
  463. this in theory but you don't fully understand for example kamaka the image of ma kamaka if you see
  464. very standard image these days to she's there on the internet everywhere I see every second person speaking on kamaka which is wonderful uh but uh the image
  465. shows that there is a there's a lion on top of the lion there is a white uh like a dead body from the navl of the dead body there is a lotus flower on top of
  466. the lotus flower there's a dity with uh six faces and 12 arms and weapons okay that dity is kamaka now this image this image they say that the lion is Vishnu
  467. okay on top of that there's Shiva Shiva lying down uh like a pria pria white pria on that there's a lotus that is Brahma and then on that st is sitting
  468. the great goddess Kamaka why this kind of an image what does it mean really why so this much information that you'll get over the internet and texts 100 times.
  469. But there is a there's a deeper essence of this image that will only come into the consciousness of the upasa after he has been worshiping this deity for a
  470. very long time and it is not subject to the fact that uh just because you know the mantra of kamaka you will understand what this image means. A simple
  471. interpretation is that the lion is dharma. Okay. So basically if you are only a person who is a fearless worshipper fearless fearless uh uh
  472. upholder of dharma because lion's first character characteristic is that it is not scared that's why the lion not not a deer not any other animal lion is like
  473. the king lion is a fighter lion is something that's more aggressive so you aggressively follow what is dharma regardless of the obstacles regardless
  474. of adversities when that stage has been perfected in the upasika's life Then he becomes comes to the stage of a pria. Pria means now he loses interest in the
  475. material world completely. That is Shiva. It's like a cremation ground. You nothing in the world around you attracts you anymore.
  476. You have already done your duty for dharma. And mind you this duty has to be something very aggressive because it's a lion. It's not a goat or a deer or or a
  477. cow even. It's a lion. That quality that ta is there. Then he becomes somebody who so detached like Shiva. uh when he has he or she has reached that stage
  478. after that there is a new creation that comes in. Lotus is signifying something a divine creation and on top of that the deity manifests as kamaka. So these
  479. qualities until one passes through these stages you can keep chanting the mantras and you can worship but you will not realize the date easily. Okay. There is
  480. this one last burning question I have in my head. The topic I want to speak about is kundalini. Okay. and how it's linked to enlightenment, mo spiritual
  481. advancement, tantic practice in general because when you live in India, you get access to multiple schools of spiritual evolution. So you
  482. can go down a ka yoga path. They talk about kundalini and the power of the spine in that path as well. Kundalini is spoken about in kundalini yoga. The
  483. kundalini is spoken about in tantra as well. Yes. What we believe as Hindus is that there exists
  484. a form of energy in your lowest chakra. Uh it takes the form of a serpent and through the course of your own spiritual journey that energy of that serpent is
  485. able to go up travel up your spine combines with your third eye chakra or at your forehead and that is when great spiritual change andor great
  486. damage. If you do this whole practice in an unguided manner can take place in your life and do you think the kundalini is a topic worth mentioning in detail in
  487. this episode? Yes, all topics are worth mentioning. Why not kundalini? Uh more or less what you said is correct but more or less that's the theory. There's
  488. a gap between theory and reality. Uh so it is not that only when the kundalini reaches here at the shastra chakra that a person is able to spiritually advance.
  489. The moment the kundalini starts moving there is going to be an advancement. Okay. A change in reality in the perception of reality. That is what the
  490. key thing about kundalini is. It changes your perception of reality. Okay. And as it goes deeper, as the awakening of the kundalini happens step by step properly
  491. and it's very rare for an individual to have the kundalini perfectly awakened through all the chakras. It's very rare. Little bit of movement yes possible etc.
  492. It automatically changes your perception, your clarity, your vision. It's like an additional power shi that is infused like an injection that has
  493. been given to you by the divine. Now shi is like a sword, double-edged sword. It can cut something else or if you don't know how to use it, it can cut
  494. you. Okay? So that's why guidance is important. Kundalini was never a thing that was to be focused on without a guru. It is always a guru or a guide or
  495. a mentor who's needed who can handle this. Or there's a better way to handle kundalini by the way, which is worship of daties. So when you worship a deity,
  496. your kundalini is going to first manifest as a dity. H yes your kundalini is a is a tremendous amount of raw power that will be generated from within your
  497. subconscious mind. Okay, tremendous amount and that takes the shape of a deity and this is a very deep concept since we are anyway coming into this
  498. topic. So I'll elaborate on this. The deities are great archetypes that are there. There's a Shiva, there's a Kali, there's a dura, there's a kamaka, right?
  499. Somewhere in some plane. You are not going to reach them so easily. But as you keep doing your practices, the kundalini will awaken one day on its
  500. own. If your practices are correctly aligned, as the kundalini awakens, it will take on a shape and formation. Kundalin's nature, Shaki's nature is
  501. that it hangs onto something. Okay? It is like a fluid energy. Imagine water. Water you can put it in a cup. It takes the shape of the cup. You can put it in
  502. a saucer. It takes the shape of the saucer. Kundalin does exactly that. Once it comes out, it's a tremendous force. It requires an Aadhaar, a container to
  503. take a shape there. If you have been woriing a specific deity and it could be even Gpati for example, it will take the shape and formation of Gapati and it
  504. will create an astral formation of the deity. But your own personal dity who will interact with you will have all the abilities that you have imagined. You
  505. will start developing certain kind of for lack of words we call siddhis things like that special uh you know very fine very advanced amount of sensory uh as
  506. well as uh psychological abilities even to the extent of things which we call as uh you know mind reading not mind reading it's more like clairvoyance
  507. clare audience various things it depends on the individual and eventually that formation in the astral plane of the dity will one day if a practice is
  508. correct when the kul reaches here or it uh comes here at a certain point it will take you to the actual daty and merge into it eventually. So sorry sir there
  509. you're saying that there's a point where kundalini jagran or awakening of your kundalini takes place over the course of your spiritual practice and post that
  510. point if your body and brain are able to survive the awakening of a kundalini which is also a key factor they say that you can go crazy. Yeah. So those the
  511. crazy aspects happen about 10 15 20%. Many of the people survive it well. But that by itself just awakening of the kundalini is not spiritual development.
  512. Okay. Okay. So that is like you are you're putting in jet fuel into your car. Spiritual development is reaching the destination. So say if you've used
  513. tantric practices to advance spiritually there will be a day where your kundalini awakens. Yes. That leads to the formation of a deity.
  514. which is kind of your personal data. Correct? But it is its look, shape, form will be exactly like the dity that you're worshiping. So if you're
  515. worshiping Shiva or if you're woriing Kamaka for example, if a person has a kalini awakening, that kundalini will take the shape and form of kamaka or of
  516. Shiva. It is not the original Shiva but it is like original Shiva is like an archetype vast. It's not just for for Hindus or etc. It's for something that's
  517. eternal. Okay. It will have an exact replica reflection and a certain degree of the same amount of power of the dity also but it will interact only with you
  518. as the upasad and start guiding you higher. You'll be able to see it. You might or you might hear it. There are people who do mantra sadana for example.
  519. I very recently somebody I know is doing mantra japa and then started hearing sounds at a particular time of pile. Somebody wearing women wear piles right.
  520. So there's a DIY upas he was doing and he hears a certain sound. That's a very typical indication of a certain kind of kundalini's activation. Okay. Is any way
  521. to tell that someone is close to their own point of activation of kundalini? One has to be observed carefully. There's no one thumb rule. Okay. But but
  522. the idea is that one should not look forward to just a kundalini awakening because that again just kundalin is like a very like as I said like a jet fuel.
  523. It it makes processes run very fast but if you don't know where you are going you can crash got it just to add a bit to the last section that I was
  524. describing the iconography of kamaka and there is that lotus that comes in at the end that lotus is itself an indication of the kundalini awakening
  525. once these two stages have been crossed by the upasa then the kundalini awakens and from there kamaka descends into the upasaka's mind and body okay do you wish
  526. to talk about the spine at all Yes. So spine, the human spine has six psychological chakras. Psychological because if you do an anatomic uh you
  527. know dissection, you won't find any of these. So there are believed to be 70 to,000 naris uh energy the channels to which energy flows into the body. There
  528. are places where these come together specifically criss-cross each other and those are specific energy points in the body. So
  529. like this there are six of them. Okay. from the from the muladhara swadeshtana like this there are six of them in some texts they mention even nine and 12 also
  530. in some older texts so mind you these are psychological points they don't have a physical existence but psychology is far more powerful than the physical
  531. world by the way always remember this that which is more subtle is way more powerful than the physical the subtle can control the physical we laws but
  532. laws don't have a physical existence they are a shared agreed upon idea and the idea is so powerful that is making you behave in a certain way. So it's
  533. controlling the physical. So the psychological actually controls the physical. So this way there are six chakras. As kundalini goes, these
  534. chakras are mostly closed in individual or functioning partially. As it goes up, it opens up each of these chakras. Various powers start manifesting.
  535. Clarity emerges in that. A tremendous amount of exceptional clarity. It's like the glasses have been you know it's like you were wearing hazy glasses and you
  536. clean it and suddenly everything looks brighter and more sharper like this. So like this it keeps going and there are three knots in the in these uh in the
  537. scheme of the spine. Knots means places where there are blockages sort of just like a knot. So these knots have to be pierced by the kundalini shi one is the
  538. brahma granti we call it which is at the base brahma granti when it's p once it's pierced by the shi of kundalini that person attains steadiness and discipline
  539. in his sadena he will not waver anymore okay he can sit for long hours not only that he has the discipline to carry on his mind doesn't run around key oh I'm
  540. feeling bored today I will not do the practice no once that stage is crossed he it will manifest in his life as somebody who's very steady then there's
  541. the vishnog Ghi which is in the heart deep inside the heart behind the anahhata chakra Vishnu granti once it is opened energy pses then you start having
  542. some sort of communication with the dity okay below the vishni dies deity will not communicate there are other things that can communicate by the way and
  543. finally there is the rdrai that is the forehead once that is pierced then you enter into the shastra which is a thousand petal lotus basically then you
  544. are this is like the cremation ground. Okay. Then you have transcended life and there it is Shiva and Parvati or the cosmic formation of the deities sitting.
  545. What is samadhi? Samadhadi is singleointed absorption into a deity or a thought or a spiritual idea or a mantra.
  546. Singleointed. There's no wavering. It can only come when the kundalin is a link things. These are this is not separate channels.
  547. Eventually one understands not everybody will understand because you must have the psychological development in your mind to be able to tie these things
  548. together which is why the role of the guru only few individuals can follow this rest need not understand but you can experience them as you keep
  549. progressing down this tantric path are you able to see layers of reality that you weren't able to see earlier any spiritual path once you start developing
  550. your vision your audiary senses this and that. There's a subtle aspect to this. There's a physical aspect of this like physically you are you're talking to
  551. somebody seeing a subtle aspect to this. the subtle aspect will get activated. For example, in some of the descriptions of
  552. Mahatara, uh she's known as she's doing atasasa. Atasa is a loud laughter at a very advanced stage of upasana of tara. The saddaka will hear
  553. that atasa literally hear that laughter of the dity. It's a fierce laughter. But before that you have to be steady enough to take that so that it doesn't cause
  554. somebody who's not fit for it will get a you know a nervous breakdown. Okay. And one has to remember that when these things manifest to the upasaka there
  555. will be corresponding reflections of it around the upasa also it's very important otherwise how will you differentiate who is actually mad and
  556. who is an upasaka. A mad man can say I am hearing various things. Mupasa is also saying that I'm hearing the atahasa of ugatara or I'm hearing the sound of a
  557. you know pile or something. How do you differentiate between the two because what is inside is also outside. As your consciousness changes there are going to
  558. be changes outside. By looking and observing those changes the science you will know that actually is it progress or is it something you are you know you
  559. are degrading and that is where since most upas start this path new and obviously you don't know it's a new field everybody for everybody it's a new
  560. field that's where the guru becomes so important because he or she knows the pitfalls knows how to judge knows which is the point to stress which is the
  561. point to ignore what is it that you should there will be on the path people will have hundreds of experiences it's natural Some people have a more uh there
  562. is another thing uh and again Shriorindu beautifully mentions this all upasakas are cate are can be you know categorized into two parts. One is the ishwara and
  563. the ish ishwari which is the the you know the purusha one who has a little bit more uh psychologically you know uh the masculine tendencies psychologically
  564. and one who has the more feminine tendencies. This concept also comes in vajana Buddhism too by the way. So one who has the more feminine tendencies and
  565. by tendency I mean it could be male or female. It's got nothing to do with the physical gender okay will start getting psychic visions abilities this that very
  566. fast. The one with the more masculine tendencies may not get any vision may not get any psychic abilities nothing but will get to sadi faster will have a
  567. single pointed concentration will be able to absorb themselves into the practice forgetting the world around easily. Okay, eventually these two will
  568. blend together. It's not that one is separate from the other. But these understandings are important. Otherwise for a person who has a tendency to see
  569. visions for example, very quickly they start a practice of a dity, they seeing dreams and visions and this and that. Until that is streamlined, until that is
  570. uh organized in a way where it makes sense uh that person will go completely hire because experiences are nothing until they cause a realization and a
  571. realization is useful to the extent that it cause a transformation. That is the final goal. You cannot forget the final goal. That is why philosophy becomes so
  572. important in everything. Philosophy is the Google map through which you will reach somewhere. If you don't have that map, you are heading towards Himalaya.
  573. You will end up in Kanyakumari. Okay. Maybe one last question on today's episode. Um what's the role of the geographical
  574. landmass that we know as India? And I'm asking you this because I've been studying a lot about deities that are not prayed to anymore. Daties that
  575. existed in different cultures like Zeus in Greek culture. um Gilgamesh and Mesopotamian uh there are African deities there are lots of South American
  576. deities there are Egyptian deities like Rah Anubis etc I feel all of these had their own version of ritualistic prayer you could pray to them and the world has
  577. gone through a very long phase of undocumented history in my opinion okay uh because of constant cataclysms meteors hitting the earth just the
  578. nature of time erod boarding all these places. This is what the work of Graham Hancock is related to. There is a show on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse. If
  579. you're not willing to listen to all of Graham Hancock's episodes with Joe Rogan, go watch Ancient Apocalypse. Um, but my point is that daties have existed
  580. all over the globe and in many different geographical regions. Daty worship has stopped. I believe it's only
  581. practiced in our land in some pockets of Asia like Mongolia, China, China, Japan. Um, and I'm pretty sure it's practiced by tribal populations all over the
  582. world, right? What do you think of this international dity worship? What do you think of our geographical land that we know as India? because
  583. um I feel on some level every single global listener of this podcast has an ancestor who followed dity worship which is why anyone who
  584. stuck around in this conversation until this point feels a sense of curiosity related to dat worship there must be some role that India is playing what's
  585. your opinion so there are two questions if I gathered it correctly one is the the importance of the land mass we call India and about dity worship. So datity
  586. worship has always been there. Of course there are changes that have happened. Uh there are political changes that have happened, religious changes that have
  587. happened. Uh while daties have some daties have gone back in into the fold. So um uh the question is if your question is that what happens to those
  588. daties they just retreat back into whichever fold and depending on the nature of the dity there's nothing more to it. So date is a true dity the one we
  589. call daties and I'm talking from the Hindu perspective. I'm not at all a globalist in terms of let's worship all daties. I will worship what I know.
  590. Others I respectfully bow from a distance. A dity that we understand in dharma in Hinduism is eternal. Eternal means tomorrow if all human beings were
  591. to vanish from earth, Shiva is still going to exist. It will not make the slightest difference to him. It's not going to make the slightest difference
  592. to Dura. It's not going to make the slightest difference to what we call Vasu Deva Krishna. Okay? Somebody who is that ancient, that vast, for a culture,
  593. stopping his or her worship for a period of 1,000 years is a blink of an eye. They can re-enter any time. So my point is that they have the power to change
  594. the consciousness of masses. That is what a deity is truly a great god. Not the smaller things because between a great god, deity and a human being,
  595. there are many other beings also by the way. And our dharma recognizes all those that there are existence of other things also. I'm not talking about those. I'm
  596. talking about the greatest ones. So day twoasana I believe is anyway organically again going to come up. It's just a matter of time. It's there. It's not
  597. that it has vanished. It is like taken a step back in certain places. India on the other hand it is the land of the rishies and the blessings of the rishies
  598. that dayasana not only exists in spite of various uh colonization attempts that we have had and religious colonization attempts actually. uh in spite of that
  599. the Hindu dharma and the sanatana dharma of multiplicity of dayupa thrives well and it is only increasing and it is never ever going to go out from here
  600. because we have the blessings of the greatest of spiritual beings there's something about the Indian landmass that makes spirituality
  601. uh long sustaining maximum stages of spirituality manifest most easily there has never been a time in the history of
  602. dharma even when India was under the occupation of foreign powers when great saintly figures saints who are worshippers of deities. So there's Ramak
  603. Krishna who was who was born during the British occupation of India and he sets up the Kali temple and his disciple is Swami Viveandanda who inspires
  604. generations of freedom fighters. India has always progressed because of these saints who come and the saints are connected to the day personas. One
  605. individual who follows du personas and reaches a higher state acquires great shy of the deity automatically everybody else will follow. I just mentioned some
  606. time ago that the first principle of world of the universe is that somebody with lower shy things with lower shy will organically gravitate towards
  607. things with higher shaky. A man with exceptional shy will organically pull people towards that dity. And it has always happened in India. It has always
  608. happened in India. It is never ever going to change. There is something very holy about this landmass, Indian landmass.
  609. Okay, that's it for today's podcast. Thank you. This was a 101 and a recap on Tantra and Sanatan Dhham. I hope this helped the global audience especially
  610. and uh the audiences that have recently discovered this channel. Raji Nandi sir, thank you uh for returning to the show and thank you for blessing our space.
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