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Raghunath Cappo on Truth in the Bhagavad Gita
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- the Joe Rogan experience we still never got to the bhagavad-gita sorry but we had turned a heart I want to know why you think that that's real and what you
- think is going on in those stories well first you've got the dialogue itself which is cool wisdom for all people yeah and just some of its like hyper
- bizarre like what Oppenheimer quoted at the detonation of the atomic bomb right I am become death colors Mila shiet creeper every toe is that time time
- that's a Sanskrit how does this a Kalos Shmi look Shia creeper every toe is that why I am the destroyer of time I am the Great destroyer and I've come to destroy
- worlds so that's one man actual translate that's the actual translation in English because his translation Oppenheimer's was I am become death is
- that because of an issue with the translation between English different people translate it slightly different but it's it's similar meaning meaning in
- that particular section that you pulled out that was Krishna explaining like God is beautiful not as charming got as your best friend
- he's also death personified so he's saying in that particular place I'm actually also the destroyer of all the worlds when we think of the Yogi's
- explain that God is everything both the beauty and the destruction as well and so Krishna just sharing his attributes and in that particular chapter chapter
- 11 he's his the most honest intimidating where do you think all these stories come from where do you what do you think the origin of the Bhagavad Gita of the
- Mahabharat of all the ancient texts what do you think the origin was what was the what was the motivation to put this stuff down what was what was the
- original concepts that led them to write this and where did it all come from there has to be an origin of these these wisdoms right yeah what do you think
- that is you know um this to even answer the question I have to take myself out of ragout and just answer like a yoga teacher okay cuz that to answer of what
- do you think it's one thing you're sort of trained not to do in as far as what is your personal opinion I can give you my personal opinion but I have to
- separate it from what the stories they'll say we'll give me your personal personal opinion is I hear what the stories have to offer I find some value
- in the stories and I try to apply wisdom till my life it helps the direction of my life it helps my escape pato understand the stories themselves say
- these are all real there'd be on way beyond your perception they were orally transmitted at certain time historically they understood people are getting
- dumber see we have a tendency to think we're got the pinnacle of evolution but the Vedic teachings is at as we go on in this age we get more and more
- disconnected there was a time where architecture was more evolved where the sciences were more evolved we're gonna stop the sciences were more of a science
- it's like like for example the building of these Vimanas which when we read them now we just think that's mythological mm-hmm even weapon jury weapon jury they
- say we're done with sound if you study that there's one book called the Donner but okay but do you think this is real do I think it's real I think it could be
- I don't think it's definitely I definitely only know one point time human beings had Vimanas and they flew around the sky and then they had weapons
- that use sound could could why not with no evidence archaeological evidence that there was a flying craft or was that there was ever any technology that
- allowed people that'll leave gravity yeah there sometimes there may not be evidence just like this right let me show you what was the guy's name Hill
- the party Hill what's your evidence you could just say well it's my own experience mean he's just laying that's a totally different thing
- he's just relaying his personal experience he could have had some sort of a psychotic break he could have had I mean they could have
- been mass psychosis with him and his what I mean with two people well I'm psychosis with him and his wife I can say that there are things that
- make no sense to me yet I sort of tried them anyway and then after time they made sense like well wait a second that does make sense it or at different
- vantage points of my life it didn't make sense when I was 20 but at 50 that makes a lot of sense so there are certain things that are huge leaps of faith that
- I can't say I definitely know that to be true just like chanting on mantras Maina sense made no real sense but over time I realized actually that helps in this
- particular way but she has a state the state of consciousness we've known that forever that achieving that meditation in general right achieves certain states
- of consciousness and you can actually with fMRI you can actually monitor the changes in the way the brain is see this is what I like about you you're one of
- those guys you get into these very interesting like subtle Sciences and then you find it's like hard evidence for these things and just hearing that
- thing with James Wilk and breaking all these things down I'm I'm I'm more of a simpler guy I find people where I trust the way they live and they've applied
- stuff and walk the it's more like I can tell time but I don't know how to take apart a clock and put together no I think exactly the same way I'm
- fascinated by watches yeah but then you see all the gears behind a watch like a self-winding watch you know like I don't know what the [ __ ] is happening here I'm
- sure I kinda doubt eventually I'm like that with a lot of things and I'm always impressed when you dig into it with people like this but truthfully if you
- want to know the honest honest truth I was like oh man I hope Joe doesn't dig into it maybe because I'm not that kind of hard science guy there's people like
- even though this didn't turn from with you as a human being what that's why I asked you very specifically what do you think right well I can say like the
- stuff that you liked about me fighting was endurance flexibility I give all the credit that to yoga you did at the time pranayama I've told people that you you
- had crazy cardio and your cardio was you never did cardio you just didn't every car you just sat down
- this is great cardio I always that you always like like really good endurance and my cardio was even better I remember being at the bomb squad once on day 17
- of a 21-day fast Wow day 17 and I remember fighting I can't remember his name his cool guy he's like what you know how juju it's jiu-jitsu
- class ends when we're all tanked we're all like huh and I just kept on going and he's like man what is up with you I was like I don't know I haven't eaten
- solid food in 17 days so it's not like I'm a genius it's just that these are sort of like yoga fasting deep breathing I just been doing them yeah I'm sure
- there's people that can give you the modern take on what the benefits are and yeah but that's not what I'm asking you well some asking is why you believe the
- bhagavad-gita is real because sure so my point is there's reasonable amounts of faith in these other things that I've applied that have made me take a next
- step so whether I believe it's real I just believe the truths I can extract from it a real whether the war actually happened there's a leap of faith
- benefits of those of following those scriptures you apply and you feel those benefits so that's enough that's enough to make me move forward towards those
- just for example the idea of faith and because especially in America we don't like the concept of blind faith but if I saw you walking in downtown neat or
- let's take it the other way you saw me you're driving your Porsche and you saw me walking in Manhattan and you say hey Raghu how do you get to Times Square and
- I said so the first step is I could lie to you people lie all the time when you ask them for directions but you have some reasonable faith I know him he's a
- friend why would he give me a bad direction so there's a reasonable amount of faith but even still people get into their egos and they just want to be the
- knower of directions but I say you got up to 14th Street and you're gonna see a McDonald's you take a right then you're gonna go down all the way to whatever
- can happen anymore Union Square and take a left and go up third and then at Union Square you're gonna see a park at that part
- you take a hard left so again you have a some type of extended faith towards me not blind faith but you'd go up to 14th Street and there's at mcdonnell's as you
- go to McDonald's or that next signpost you realize okay maybe he does know where's going then you go farther there's Union Square okay I think he
- actually knows what's going on and all of a sudden you see the Times Square in the distance so faith isn't just like I believe and if anyone was to say I
- believe this I believe in these Vimanas I believe in mantra is I start to question them but it happens with small degrees of of things being just shown to
- you that you want to take alright what's the next step here what do they say about this what do they say about that and then you apply and see well does
- that work with me and like I said sometimes things didn't make sense I remember when I first met monks and they said a question about or not even monks
- but people were just like following very strict with her sexuality even in even in family and the guy said I don't have sex I don't I was 17 I was like you
- don't have sex with your wife are you crazy no I am do other we do other things and I just couldn't understand that as a 17
- year old boy or eighteen year old boy I could understand why would you be with the person who was it because they said we were practicing detachment we're
- practicing going internal to find our pleasure and he said I said what do you do for fun and that he goes we go for a drive
- I was like you go for dry reeked raisi but it was where this person was one of us on his path of really controlling the senses and finding his pleasure
- internally at different at time of my life it made no sense whatsoever he really didn't like having sex maybe or
- maybe there was only internal babies like what what's happening maybe there is trauma we don't know the whole story and you see what you're saying though
- that applying the stuff whether or not you break it down scientifically and objectively and try to analyze each and every word and
- whatever the translation is you could actually apply those truths air quotes into your life and have real benefits yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and and other
- things are just uh does it make a difference if Vimanas exists or not yeah it makes no difference my practical life could they exist sure it could all
- these yeah it could answer I think a lot of these things we've talked about like life on other planets and aliens they all are very much explained or here's
- another good one what are these spiritual paths have in common we train ourselves to find the differences in all of them and the Vedic
- teach to say don't you understand you should be able to walk into a mosque into a church into a synagogue and say how nice these people are trying to
- connect hmm not that we got to win these people over to our team right because they're all an illusion and they're all going to hell forever right everyone's
- on a type of path and I appreciate them trying to surrender and the only thing that's going to get in their way because people say things like this all the time
- yeah it's a religion that caused all the problems in this world and it's not religion it's the ego that goes with joining a particular Church synagogue
- ashram etc that we have in our way and everybody else they're a problem then we got to fix it that's what gets in the way because you
- could say materialism causes lots of problems as well in the world so I don't think it's a ghost Nicky it'll sneak into your diet and it'll sneak into your
- God it'll sneak in and that's why there's an appreciation instead of a instead of a condemnation the people that are different than us
- [Applause]